Jeanine Roy's testimony on August 22, 2011 (Doutel_Hearing_Day_two_082211.pdf), page 46, lines 6 – 27:
(Questioner is Attorney Baird)
6 Q Have you -- during the time that you've known Mr.
7 Doutel as a patient there at the office, have you seen him
8 bring a firearm onto the premises?
9 A I have not seen it myself, no.
10 Q Okay. So you've never seen Mr. Doutel with a firearm?
12 A No.
13 Q And do you know whether he ever brought a firearm onto
14 the premises?
15 A Yes. Oh, I've been told that he had it a few times.
16 Q Okay. And without telling me what the person said or
17 didn't say to you, who told you that information?
18 A I -- I don't know.
19 Q Okay. Would it have been Dr. –
20 A It may have been -- it was Dr. Staw. I know at least
21 the one time when the hat was moved, that it was Dr. Staw.
22 Q Okay. Did Sandy Staw ever talk to you about Mr.
23 Doutel bringing a firearm onto the premises?
24 A No.
25 Q Is there a policy at the medical office with regard to
26 bringing firearms onto the premises?
27 A Well, no.
Note that Roy states that the only way she knew Mr. Doutel carried was that Staw himself told her. Note also that Zwickler claimed in his "incident report" that Roy stated that Doutel often brandished a firearm in the office, but Roy herself contradicts that in the above sworn testimony! In other words, Zwickler lied! Roy was never interviewed!